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Thursday, May 17, 2012

America is becoming non-white

For decades, the NY Times has been promoting immigration policies that heavily favored a huge influx of non-whites. Today's lead story brags:
WASHINGTON — After years of speculation, estimates and projections, the Census Bureau has made it official: White births are no longer a majority in the United States.

Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 49.6 percent of all births in the 12-month period that ended last July, according to Census Bureau data made public on Thursday, while minorities — including Hispanics, blacks, Asians and those of mixed race — reached 50.4 percent, representing a majority for the first time in the country’s history.
The article goes on to quote experts who say that this is a wonderful thing, except for the facts that the Hispanic immigrants are uneducated and do not vote Democrat often enough.

It is not a good thing. The immigrants do not share American values, so it is a good bet that they will not be voting Republican when they start voting in large numbers.
Latinos, on the other hand, are squarely within their peak fertility, with a median age of 27, said Jeffrey Passel, senior demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center. Between 2000 and 2010, there were more Hispanic births in the United States than there were arriving Hispanic immigrants, he said.

The result is striking: Minorities accounted for 92 percent of the nation’s population growth in the decade that ended in 2010, Mr. Frey calculated, a surge that has created a very different looking America from the one of the 1950s, when the TV characters Ozzie and Harriet were a national archetype.
The NY Times liberals seek to destroy the American family of the 1950s, as symbolized by Ozzie and Harriet. The TV characters were happy, self-sufficient, autonomous, law-abiding, honorable, patriotic, hard-working, and otherwise embodied qualities that made America great. In other words, the show promoted values that NY Times liberals despise.

Instead, the USA is being transformed by immigrants who do not share those values, and who have high rates of illiteracy, illegitimacy, and gang crime, and they will vote Democrat when the Democrats promise them more food stamps.

Update: This post was criticized by two left-wing blogs, the Daily Kos and Right Wing Watch. Apparently they like it when the NY Times celebrates Ozzie and Harriet no longer being a national archetype, but they are upset when I express a contrary view. Why do they hate Ozzie and Harriet so much? Draw your own conclusions. I say that they despise the mere concept of a national archetype that extols traditional American values.

Update: Another blog responds:
Oh my God. They were TV characters! From 60 years ago! Yes, they may have been a “real-life” family, but they were acting! In a TV show!...

The fact is that “Ozzie and Harriet” is a myth. America never really was like that. And it certainly is not now.

But it’s the height of intolerance and oppression to complain that America is no longer like it was 60 or 70 years ago, and try to force people back into that mold.
It was the NY Times article quoted above, not me, that said, "the TV characters Ozzie and Harriet were a national archetype." And I did not say anything about forcing people into a mold. The liberal blogs hate that archetype, but they are not willing to say why.

46 comments:

Rev. Ouabache said...

What's with the assumption that all of these births are coming from immigrants? Most minorities have been in the United States for their entire lives. I'm willing to be that almost all of these families have been in the US for at least 3 generations. This isn't an immigration issue.

Anonymous said...

Was this a reprint from an Onion article?

Anonymous said...

No, no! Believe it or not, these people exist and actually believe what they are saying. It's true, the new york times hates Ozzie and Harriet. I think they dated Harriet in college.

JoeDog said...

NEWSFLASH: The median age in the US is 36.8. That means more than half the country has never seen a single episode of Ozzie and Harriet. If we assume Ozzie and Harriet were ever a national archetype, it's safe to say contemporary liberals didn't end their run. The passage of time did.

Roger said...

The NY Times article says, "The trend toward greater minority births has been building for years, the result of the large wave of immigration here over the past three decades." So yes, these births are coming from immigrants.

Roger said...

JoeDog, you are right that most people today have not seen Ozzie and Harriet. But the NY Times and other liberals have been promoting non-white immigration since at least the 1960s, and seeking to destroy what had been the national archetype. Young people today do not realize how we got into the current situation.

Anonymous said...

Who's Ozzie and Harriet and what relevance do they have, if at all?

DK said...

"Liberals have been promoting non-white immigration since at least the 1960s."

Except that immigration is way down under Obama who has deported more illegals than any President, while the biggest illegal-immigrant amnesty bill in US history was signed by Ronald Reagan.

Facts matter.

Christine said...

The article and the census says that the change comes from hispanic AND black, asian and mixed race births. Making a blank statement that whites being a minority and will result in more an increase in illeteracy, illegitimacy and gang crime is ignorant. My children are mixed race and fall into the category that the census is referring to. The majority of my friends and families children are mixed race and fall into the category also. Non of us are immigrants, nor are our spouses, some of our mixed children do include hispanic descent but I can assure you that will not make them stupid food stamp babies who can't think for themselves and only pick their political parties based on media bias. We all come from long lines of families who are American and who also have the ability to celebrate our heritage, whether it hispanic, african american or asian. Just because someone's skin is brown, black or yellow, just because someone has an accent that you don't like, does not make them any less American or proud to be an American that Ms. Schlafly.

Anonymous said...

Ozzie and Harriet were never a national norm. They were a national ideal that was actually damaging to American families because the show never reflected reality for American families who have always had to deal with tough issues. If you want fantasy, watch fantasy. Don't try to pass it off as the actual experience of real Americans

Anonymous said...

"happy, self-sufficient, autonomous, law-abiding, honorable, patriotic, hard-working..." Qualities liberals hate? Oh, you're so funny. Do you think this, um, stuff, up at breakfast or in the loo?

I'm a liberal, raised by grandparents who grew up during The Great Depression and a liberal mother (father died), and loved watching reruns of the Beve, Ozzie, Mr.Ed, and the like. My family taught me patriotism, as did my school, including how to properly display the flag, fold it, and discard a torn/worn flag---knowledge that infuriatingly seems missing among many folks today, particularly flag-waving conservatives. I was also taught never to collect public assistance as long as I could work, even if it was at McD's. I'm pretty damn happy, and I think that's pretty damn important, as long as your happiness doesn't bring misery to another person. I was taught to respect all people, and treat others as Christ did in the Bible. I was taught to respect education, my teachers, to get as much education as possible, work hard, and not value play over work or obligations. I still love watching episodes of The Waltons, even when people make fun of me for it. As far as law-abiding, two things were made clear to me when I was very young: if you steal, not only is it morally and legally wrong, but you make things more expensive for everyone (since the price will go up to offset the cost), and if I ever were to get into trouble with the law (for any reason), I'd better go to jail because my arse would be beaten black when I got home. There were no excuses in my LIBERAL home -- you did what you were supposed to, when you were supposed to, and how you were supposed to. I now work in health care and am continuing my education while I work. I have several advanced degrees. I play three classical instruments at a professional level - from years of devotion and practicing in my youth. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs, and I live about as boring of a life as is possible. I don't live above my means and as long as I can pay for my needs and am doing meaningful, socially-important work, that's good enough. I try to eat ethically and morally, and support family-owned farms. I love gardening and sewing, my family, my country, the view of the Appalachian mountains from an airplane on a clear day, and cute fuzzy animals. I like people who work hard and don't make excuses. But I don't particularly care if my neighbors are gay, brown, conservative or liberal, as long as they treat other people, animals, and their environment with respect.

I'm pretty sure that you've never watched any of those 1950s shows, or the ones from the 60s and 70s that promoted family values. I don't remember the episode where the Beve was taught to hate people or speak badly about people, and I seem to remember the Waltons' father talking about the importance of moderation, even in religion, by quoting scripture. Most of all, the FICTIONAL characters you quote had an immense amount of class that would have precluded them from speaking so many negativities. In fact, I'm pretty sure Miss Manners discusses this kind of behavior in detail in her books.

I think you'd better check the internet, and ask yourself, What Would Grandpa Walton Do? (You are aware, of course, that many of those actors and actresses had "alternative" lifestyles? Yes?)

Chuckle. Liberals...we walk among you...and you don't even know we're liberal.

Oh, and I'm a woman, and physically handicapped, so please, make fun of me...because bullying is so timeless.

Matthew Rothenberg said...

So, Roger ... Liberals encourage immigration -- only of non-white immigrants, mind you -- to "destroy what had been the national archetype." I am sure you have a theory about *why* they want to destroy this archetype. Could you explain?

phoebes in santa fe said...

Maybe these minorities vote Democratic because they correctly perceive the narrow-mindedness from Republicans? Branding minorities as not being "American" enough is what these people expect from Republicans. And, gee, weren't ALL our ancestors immigrants?

Dobson Reede said...

What about "Father Knows Best"? Here we have a firm, yet benevolent father-figure -- complete with innocently mischevious children and a subserviant mate -- representing the patriarchal values of his contemporary era, values you yourself still espouse. Behind the scenes however the actor, Robert Young, who portrayed this paragon of American-style virtue had to be literally poured on the set each day, his every platitude delivered dead drunk -- and this when he wasn't trying to kill himself. Now you're an intellegent guy -- can't you discern a artistic metaphor here?

Anonymous said...

All Americans with no immigrant background may leave now! That goes for you too, Ozzie.

AntoniaBologna said...

Roger, How is the NY Times "promoting" non-white immigration? Just by reporting the facts. Come on, I really think this MUST be a parody of a Republican site. There can't be people in our country this obtuse!

Anonymous said...

What the hell? Why are you focusing on the Ozzie and Harriet part? A lot of us younger people don't even know who they were, much less "hate" them and their values. Liberals who respond to your blog are not complaining about the "work hard and be good" message of O&H, they are complaining about your statement that all minorities are illiterate, thuggish degenerates who refuse to do any work and live their lives living off the taxes of oppressed innocent white people.

When you think about it...if we have an aging white population and a booming young generation of non-whites, that means before long it's the whites who will be mooching off the non-whites in the form of social security payments.

snegri said...

My father, as well as most of the people with whom I interacted as a child, were immigrants. Several of my associates today (2012) are also immigrants. My impression is that by far the majority of these individuals were, as you put it in your description of a TV series, "
happy, self-sufficient, autonomous, law-abiding, honorable, patriotic, hard-working, and otherwise embodied qualities that made America great." If you have documentation to prove the majority of immigrants are otherwise, you need to produce it. Otherwise, it's hard to regard you as a serious commentator.

Anonymous said...

"The immigrants do not share American values" -

Neither did the immigrants from overseas who helped build this country; American values are learned through the shared social experience and they have every right to have that opportunity.

Discrimination and bigotry - alive and well in 21st century America.

Phil Gallagher said...

Unbelievable. "The immigrants do not share American values"? First, please define "American values". Aren't they enshrined in the constitution and the Bill of Rights and emblazoned on the Statue of Liberty? Aren't they the very things that draw people to this country in the first place? Second, what evidence do you have for this statement?
In God we trust. Everyone else must bring data.

whatever said...

The criticism about this post has nothing to do with "Ozzie and Harriet" but about the unmitigated hatred it espouses for more than half of this country.

To whit: Republicans are the only people with American values. ("The immigrants do not share American values, so it is a good bet that they will not be voting Republican.")
This country is about 50-50 between those who are or lean toward the Democrats and those who are or lean toward the Republicans. To say "I love America but the other half of the country hates it" means, simply, that you hate America. (P.S.: Your position is NOT shared by non-fringe Republicans. They respect the differences of opinion and dialogue that drove the founding of this country.)

2. Racism: "Immigrants do not share American values...they will vote Democrat when the Democrats promise them more food stamps." Facts, figures? What percentage of immigrants are on food stamps? How many immigrants come for food stamps and welfare? The answer, according to the Cato Institute (founded by Charles Koch, by the way) is very, very few. Read the report headed:
"Evidence Shows Immigrants Come to Work, Not to Collect Welfare"
It's here: http://www.cato.org/pubs/irb/irb_august2010.pdf

3. Childishness: I will never understand this "Democrat party" junk from certain Republicans. It ALWAYS sounds so petty and childish. Why do Republicans like you not call the opposing party by its actual name? You are THAT opposed to half the country that you can't show even that decency.

So, my dear, the liberal blogs were not criticizing the Ozzie and Harriet archetype (which, by the way, existed on TV. It would be nice for you to trot out stats from real life to show that that was a reflection of reality.) No they are criticizing you for hating America -- remember, land of the free, home of the brave? You know, like all the immigrants who founded this country. It's not "Land of the Republicans, home of the conservatives.

Stop hating America. Love all the country, not just people who agree with you.

Anonymous said...

If you weren't white and middle class your life sucked in the times of Ozzie and Harriet. It was a terrible time for many many people and we don't want to go back there.

Unknown said...

I guess, as an immigrant, I'm unpatriotic; I don't abide by the law; I don't work hard; I'm unhappy, illegal, illegitimate and into gang crime and food stamps.

How about that, I never knew that of myself.

Anonymous said...

My daughter is a "non-white immigrant." We adopted her from Guatemala 10 years ago. She is no different from other American children. She is law-abiding, and she works hard in school. She is patriotic and celebrates being American. Most Americans have immigrant ancestors, and look what great things they achieved!

Anonymous said...

Argh - substitute "natural-born American citizens" for "American citizens" above. Anyway, the point still stands - there was a time not immensely long ago when patriotic know-nothings would have wondered how "American" a last name like "Schlafly" was.

Jason said...

Western civilization; contracepting and aborting themselves out of existence since the wild and wacky sixties.

Anonymous said...

Ridiculous assumptions spread by another racist "blogger", who obviously doesn't know very many minorities. If you're referring to "family values", I'd venture to say that the so-called "immigrant" cultures you're referring to have STRONGER family values than "white" people who believe that divorcing 3 or 4 times, fathering a few children in each "marriage" is a "strong" family. Latinos and Asians believe much more stronger in family bonds than you suggest. Asians, especially, are much more apt to believe in stronger systems, education, and discipline. Your fear stems from not knowing very many of the minorities you're talking about, and your fear is completely unwarranted.

Perhaps you should realize that people in this country are less likely to be "pure-bred" of ANY race, and that the so-called "fall" you're talking about has less to do with that there are less "white" people, but many more people who would rather identify with their minority heritage and culture (think of Zimmerman as being a perfect example of this race mixing).

Look, "Ozzie and Harriet" may have seemed simpler to you, and perhaps that simplicity is what makes you naive, and boring. However, don't underestimate the power of unity across the races to make a stronger tomorrow. You only need embrace it.

Jeanni Nishi said...

No. What the other blogs are upset about is that you think it's a bad thing that the birth rate amongst non- and part-whites is greater than among whites. Smacks of bigotry, which does not actually surprise us. It's just another instance of disgusting behavior on your part.
Of course, the problems you fear -- illiteracy, illegitimacy and crime -- flow from lack of resources, lack of education, lack of access to contraception, and is directly related to your radical and stupid "conservative" policies. If you would alter your policies to make sure that all children in the US are wanted, cared for in all ways and educated through college, you might have less to fear.
And, by the way, almost all of our families -- yours and mine-- immigrated here. "Immigrant" is not a dirty word in the USA. And those who did not are native Americans, who you, no doubt, hate as well.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever watched Ozzie and Harriet? Those people were on some serious Valium!

earleydaysyet said...

I would counter that "young people today", more accurately, simply don't care "how we got into the current situation". It's irrelevant; in fact, it's simply a non-issue. Much like the vote for women, interracial marriage, anti-discrimination laws, hate crime laws, LGBT equality, gay marriage... The tide of history rolls on, and young people, without the baggage of the entrenched views of the older generation, are OK with it. It's you lot that need to pull your heads out of your nethers and get out of the way.

Anonymous said...

I think they are talking about LEGAL immigrants. Unless you are a native American, you are the offspring of immigrants, too.

Yashendwirh said...

As far as I see it, if you are not 100% Native American, you're just as every bit of an immigrant/anchor baby/child of an immigrant as 2nd 3rd and 4th gen immigrants, regardless of race.

Immigration is a national standard, and has been since our inception, since the Mayflower took part in New England.

If you can't handle the national family value shifting from what you perceive as an ideal standard 60 years past, chances are you're too old to relate to the values of 20-somethings, minority or not. Children are the future, not vessels for you to perpetuate the nuclear family ideal. If you want that for yourself, fine, but the real crunch is in you demonizing other people for not being adhering to your vintage values, and then further demonizing when they criticize you for it, and then try to spin the tables by further demonizing them afterwards.

Anonymous said...

Interesting article that I take offense with. My wife is an immigrant and college educated. Most of her family are college educated, many doctors and lawyers. My mother is an immigrant (married a GI)and I'm college educated. I think your article exposes how fearful your organization is of what is called in Psychology "the other"; which is any one other than your race/culture. at one time the other can be engaging in that those within a particular race/culture who are motivated to push the envelope (which is how we got to America BTW). Yet, the other can also bring dis-ease (not to be confused w/ disease/sickness) to those who find comfort in the singleness of their race/culture. In the end your article simply put, promotes racism, which is not an American or a family value, at least not in my American family of immigrants....Since I don't register w/ your website or any of the others offered I'm forced to post as anonymous. as another note FYI I spent 18 years in the US Army and worked for the DoD for almost three years so I think I'm about as American as you can get.

Anonymous said...

I thought you all were supposed to be anti abortion. The excuse for being anti abortion is "all life is sacred." What part of "all" excludes non-whites. I thought you all were supposed to be christian. I hear you talk about your religion all the time. Jesus loved everyone, regardless of race. Why does it matter what color the babies are? All life is sacred, created in the image of god.

Richard Simpkins said...

Roger: According to the article's own chart, the growth rate for non-white births has been dropping since 2007 (half a decade). The flip happened because of the even bigger drop in white births, not immigration, which has also dropped to net zero.

Anonymous said...

I'd be happy to go back to the happier, more American 1950s. Let's start with the tax rates and go from there.

David Badash said...

As the author of "Oh my God. They were TV characters! From 60 years ago!," I'll be happy to explain.

First, your statement, "The immigrants do not share American values." Then invest in them. Teach them. That's how people adopt cultural values. You're under the offensive assumption people who don't look like you are bad, uneducated, less-than, and somehow immoral.

Your entire article is about hypothetical archetypes. You are morally opposed to anyone who is not like you, rather than trying to help people who could benefit from your experience and resources.

"Minorities are illegal immigrants."
"All immigrants are bad, don't pay taxes, vote Democrat."

The fact is that it is the 21st century, and the world that never existed, is long gone. Time never stands still.

The question is, what are you going to do to make this one better, help people in need, make the future a better place?

Lamenting about a hypothetical fictional past helps no one. But it does fill your organization's coffers, doesn't it?

Anonymous said...

"Instead, the USA is being transformed by immigrants who do not share those values, and who have high rates of illiteracy, illegitimacy, and gang crime, and they will vote Democrat when the Democrats promise them more food stamps."

Amazing right-wing facts free zone . . .
I used to work at a Silicon Valley chip design company where immigrant engineers were more than majority of engineers there.
These are hardworking, tax paying, and doing stuff many native born white people cannot do.
And yes, Santa Clara country votes Democratic in elections by large margins, thank you very much.
In fact, us white people were not more than 1/3 of the engineers there.
Average people in this country really get the wrong impression that white people run those technology companies simply because you see those white faces on TV.
However, many, many Silicon Valley technology companies rely on immigrant engineers do get work done.
Without them, I think most of them will go out of business.
So much for "by immigrants who do not share those values, and who have high rates of illiteracy, illegitimacy, and gang crime, and they will vote Democrat when the Democrats promise them more food stamps."

Anonymous said...

Regarding Rev. Ouabache's comment, "What's with the assumption that all of these births are coming from immigrants? Most minorities have been in the United States for their entire lives"

Most current U.S. population growth, 80% by some estimates, is caused by current immigration if one includes both actual immigrants and their higher birthrates. See "How Many Americans?" by Leon Bouvier and Lindsey Grant, and "Re-Charting America's Future" by Roy Beck, for a primer on the subject.

Unfortunately, don't expect higher birthrates to be considered a problem by Schlaflys and the "pro-family" (i.e. pronatalist) Eagle Forum, who only care because people "go on food stamps" and "vote Democrat" instead of Republican. Indeed the obvious solution - cheap, easy access to abortion - has been consistently opposed and obstructed by these "pro-lifers" at every turn.

As for this list: "happy, self-sufficient, autonomous, law-abiding, honorable, patriotic, hard-working". Typical muddled conservative mashup. I'm looking at these: "happy, self-sufficient, autonomous, hard-working" and then these: "law-abiding, honorable, patriotic". Does...not...compute. The first list is libertarian, the second list is authoritarian.

Roger said...

To DK, yes, Reagan signed an amesty in the hopes that it would solve the illegal alien problem. It did not.

To those who gave examples of immigrants who are hard-working and have other positive values, yes, there are many such examples. Some of them are just like Ozzie and Harriet. The article was about census data on statistical totals.

To "whatever", the Cato Institute is libertarian, and most libertarian support open borders.

To earleydaysyet, I agree that young people today don't care how we got into the current situation. They just wonder why they are graduating from college with massive debt and no jobs.

To AntoniaBologna , here is an example of a NY Times editorial that favors amnesty for illegal aliens and supporting the Obama administration policy of not deporting them.

To Anonymous (Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:43:00 PM), yes, most of the engineers in Silicon Valley are now immigrants, and Silicon Valley votes Democrat.

To Anonymous (Monday, May 21, 2012 2:38:00 AM), freedom and patriotism are not opposites.

Anonymous said...

Hey guys, guess which show was even more popular than Ozzie and Harriet in the 50s and featured a mixed race couple: I Love Lucy.

So much for knowing what 50s "American Values" actually were...

LaSombra said...

From the 2000 to 2010 the Census says white births are no longer a majority.

So let's do the math: If they're born in 2000, doesn't that make them TOO YOUNG TO VOTE????

Anonymous said...

Roger, considering that you're the descendant of immigrants who have only been on the continent for a few generations, it's quite the double-standard to criticize the values of more recent immigrant generations in such a stereotypical fashion.

Also, considering what the earlier generations of European settlers did to the true Native American population, how the generations between 1790 and 1865 institutionalized slavery, and how segregation was a part of the "Ozzie and Harriet" generation you look back on with nostalgia, exactly how rose-colored are the glasses you're wearing?

Roger said...

Anonymous, I guess you are saying that it is a double-standard for American law to treat American citizens differently from foreigners. Okay, if you want to call it that.

Ozzie and Harriet did not advocate slavery or anything like that. Do you want to punish American families for things that happened centuries ago? I do not accept that. There are good reasons for immigration, but that is not one of them.

TBP said...

There is so much here that is offensive. First of all, the notion that people who don't vote Republican are un-American, or don't love their country, is grotesque. I vote the way I do precisely because I love my country and want what is best for it. It is possible that I am mistaken in what I think is best for the country (although I don't think so), but I deeply resent being told that I (and approximately half the rest of the population) don't have the country's best interests at heart.

I have never understood this 50s nostalgia. While certainly there was a lot of good going on (and an unprecedented economic expansion), it was also a time when blacks and other racial minorities were still subject to barbaric discrimination, sometimes even backed by force of law. Violence against racial minorities was common. Many schools and professions were essentially closed to minorities, and this extended in many cases to Jews. Elite professional schools had a "Jewish quota" that they didn't even bother to hide. In many places Catholics like the Schaflys were subject to prejudice and discrimination. Do they really want to return to that?

And for cryin' out loud, Ozzie and Harriet was fiction. To the extent that the kind of family life portrayed there existed at all (Dad working at a job that obviously didn't leave him exhausted at the end of the day, Mom not working outside the home, and Dad's salary alone providing all the necessities and a great deal of luxuries), it existed because of liberal ideals: government investment in infrastructure and education fueled a whole lot of the prosperity of the 50s and 60s, along with high wages secured by a heavily unionized workforce. The notion that Ozzie, or Ward Cleaver, were some sort of rugged individualists clawing out a living with no help from anybody, is absolute nonsense.

a470ece6-aecb-11e1-8bd8-000bcdcb5194 said...

Several hundred years ago the concern was that America was becoming non-native. Shift happens. It's gonna go down hardest with people who mistakenly believe there is a divine exceptionalism for America and that they are part of it.

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